Fuck it...I have all but given up!

[Crazzy_Al]

I can't stand this fucking plateau anymore. I work my ass off and never get any leaner and never get any stronger. I change my routines, I change my workouts, I change my diet...all to stay the fucking same.

I can't fucking stand this shit anymore.

Maybe doing this shit 100% naturally, without even any OTC supplements, has come to an end.

I'm tired of mediocrity. :mad:

[orangejuiced86]

How long do you typically give your change in diet a chance to work? I found when I stopped doing excessive cardio I got stronger. I started doing cardio again, but I am going by the book on it this time. Keeping my heart rate at a specific rate which is 124 from the articles I have read for my weight and age. They say when your heart rate is too high you burn muscle instead of fat?? Maybe Dom can chime in on thie one.

I fell your pain. Ill be fighting these love handles on my deathbed, lol

[Crazzy_Al]

How long do you typically give your change in diet a chance to work? I found when I stopped doing excessive cardio I got stronger. I started doing cardio again, but I am going by the book on it this time. Keeping my heart rate at a specific rate which is 124 from the articles I have read for my weight and age. They say when your heart rate is too high you burn muscle instead of fat?? Maybe Dom can chime in on thie one.

I fell your pain. Ill be fighting these love handles on my deathbed, lol
These lovehandles can go fuck their mother! I can't fucking stand not looking like an adonis with all the fucking work I put in. :mad:

I have no desire to read an assload of books, any more articles, etc. I would rather spend that time making myself look better. I have read MANY different books and articles and I always get different opinions and advice. That doesn;t help me. I need tested, tried and true shit that works for ME. I could care less about being the 175-180lbs the BMI charts tell me to be. I'm fine with being 225-230lbs and strong as an ox..as long as I am lean.

[LITTLEMAGS]

i will write you up something today bro

hang in there!

[Crazzy_Al]

i will write you up something today bro

hang in there!
This is horseshit! I miss the days where even people who only saw me once a week were like, "Fuck, you just keep losing more weight" or "how much steriods are you on right now?"

I just sit in the same place but am working 3 times as hard for it. :(

[LITTLEMAGS]

This is horseshit! I miss the days where even people who only saw me once a week were like, "Fuck, you just keep losing more weight" or "how much steriods are you on right now?"

I just sit in the same place but am working 3 times as hard for it. :(
well...if it was easy...shit everyone would do it. WHICH you know they dont. I have my diet on my computer at home and will send it up to you tonight when i get home

[Crazzy_Al]

well...if it was easy...shit everyone would do it. WHICH you know they dont. I have my diet on my computer at home and will send it up to you tonight when i get home
I know. :(

And I will be anxiously be awaying your diet schedule/menu! I am going to go buy a scale tonight. Any recommendations on a good scale for little money I can get tonight? I'd prefer not to order online and have to wait.

[mark468]

I can't stand this fucking plateau anymore. I work my ass off and never get any leaner and never get any stronger. I change my routines, I change my workouts, I change my diet...all to stay the fucking same.

I can't fucking stand this shit anymore.

Maybe doing this shit 100% naturally, without even any OTC supplements, has come to an end.

I'm tired of mediocrity. :mad:dont even think about drugs if you want i can show the 8inch cut on my back to remove a soft ball size tumor i have a ton of issue from the 7 years i did that shit .

[Crazzy_Al]

dont even think about drugs if you want i can show the 8inch cut on my back to remove a soft ball size tumor i have a ton of issue from the 7 years i did that shit .
Maybe you got some bad gear. I know a LOT of people using AAS, and have been using AAS for many years, who show little to no side effects...minus back/shoulder/arm ache in a few cases.

But no, I would never use steroids.

[LITTLEMAGS]

dont even think about drugs if you want i can show the 8inch cut on my back to remove a soft ball size tumor i have a ton of issue from the 7 years i did that shit .
wow...so you got a tumor...what caused it? what were you on? did you ever get blood test while you were on? or did you just "wing it" and hope it was ok?
where was the tumor located?

sorry so many questions and not trying to diminish the statement you made to AL but I see a lot of guys abuse "gear" (like pop A-50's like candy) and think they wont have elevated Liver enzymes...PLUS I see the same guys drinking a 12 pack a weekend and then condemn gear "because it is bad on your liver"

[mark468]

wow...so you got a tumor...what caused it? what were you on? did you ever get blood test while you were on? or did you just "wing it" and hope it was ok?
where was the tumor located?

sorry so many questions and not trying to diminish the statement you made to AL but I see a lot of guys abuse "gear" (like pop A-50's like candy) and think they wont have elevated Liver enzymes...PLUS I see the same guys drinking a 12 pack a weekend and then condemn gear "because it is bad on your liver"lets just say i was dumb and did not do alot of research the tumor is at the lab now, will no more on my follow up visit on thurs and of course i winged it i started at 19 and hung out with my gym rats and we all thought we new everything lol tumor was in my back, im 36 now and have way to many issues with that shit ,i was shooting and orally consuming the drugs i would cycle and do about 800 to 1000 cc a week.now remember this was a 19 yr kid who hung out with some big strong fuckers and was like wow so they were my knowledge base lol

[mark468]

Maybe you got some bad gear. I know a LOT of people using AAS, and have been using AAS for many years, who show little to no side effects...minus back/shoulder/arm ache in a few cases.

But no, I would never use steroids.good for you wish i had the same thoughts, not everyone was made to bench 400 pounds lol

[Crazzy_Al]

lets just say i was dumb and did not do alot of research the tumor is at the lab now, will no more on my follow up visit on thurs and of course i winged it i started at 19 and hung out with my gym rats and we all thought we new everything lol tumor was in my back, im 36 now and have way to many issues with that shit ,i was shooting and orally consuming the drugs i would cycle and do about 800 to 1000 cc a week.now remember this was a 19 yr kid who hung out with some big strong fuckers and was like wow so they were my knowledge base lol
800-1000cc's a week? That's enough for 2-3 dudes MY SIZE to get BIG on! I have a LOT of guys like you (or rather what you used to be) at my gym. They pump their bodies full of an assload of gear and still can't lift what I lift, or for as many sets as I lift, and I do it 100% naturally. Pathetic, really.

My gym has a little saying that is well known by nearly everyone in there. That saying is, "Only plants grow naturally."

Many of the women there also stand by that saying. :eek:

[Crazzy_Al]

good for you wish i had the same thoughts, not everyone was made to bench 400 pounds lol
Yeah, genetics seem to also be telling me that I too was not made to bench 400+ lbs. I'm aiming to prove genetics wrong by the end of this year! :D

[mark468]

Yeah, genetics seem to also be telling me that I too was not made to bench 400+ lbs. I'm aiming to prove genetics wrong by the end of this year! :Dwell good luck its only a matter of time

[LITTLEMAGS]

lets just say i was dumb and did not do alot of research the tumor is at the lab now, will no more on my follow up visit on thurs and of course i winged it i started at 19 and hung out with my gym rats and we all thought we new everything lol tumor was in my back, im 36 now and have way to many issues with that shit ,i was shooting and orally consuming the drugs i would cycle and do about 800 to 1000 cc a week.now remember this was a 19 yr kid who hung out with some big strong fuckers and was like wow so they were my knowledge base lol
so you think it was from the gear eh? I would be very interested to hear the Path results. Especially on the type and cell mass. (BTW my background is Public Health and excercise science)
800-1000 mg's is what I think you meant to say NOT CC's. I guess IMO that isnt very much to take if you doing a conservative stack. Escpecially if you are doing two compounds. 500mg test and 300mg deca is considered by MOST a novice cycle. Even MOST anti-aging clinics advise 400mg of test cyp a week.

I guess on the clinical side I will find it hard to support a tumor of any kind from test replacement...even at 2 grams a week. I can see Adrenal adenoma but NOT from excessive test..(EXCESS of estrogen).

As far as strength and endurance vs what people take and dont take...Iam a bodybuilder..I DONT care if I can bench 100 or 500 pds..I know I want to LOOK strong but dont care one single bit if I am strong. Iam not a powerlifter and never want to be. Most of my powerlifter friends are HUGE strong guys but they arent bodybuilders and THEY DONT look like one either....

anyways...I will get off my soapbox pro-drug rally....
Dont hate me for being pro-drug...It is just my education on the subject matter that has allowed me to look past all the "nonsense"

[mark468]

so you think it was from the gear eh? I would be very interested to hear the Path results. Especially on the type and cell mass. (BTW my background is Public Health and excercise science)
800-1000 mg's is what I think you meant to say NOT CC's. I guess IMO that isnt very much to take if you doing a conservative stack. Escpecially if you are doing two compounds. 500mg test and 300mg deca is considered by MOST a novice cycle. Even MOST anti-aging clinics advise 400mg of test cyp a week.

I guess on the clinical side I will find it hard to support a tumor of any kind from test replacement...even at 2 grams a week. I can see Adrenal adenoma but NOT from excessive test..(EXCESS of estrogen).

As far as strength and endurance vs what people take and dont take...Iam a bodybuilder..I DONT care if I can bench 100 or 500 pds..I know I want to LOOK strong but dont care one single bit if I am strong. Iam not a powerlifter and never want to be. Most of my powerlifter friends are HUGE strong guys but they arent bodybuilders and THEY DONT look like one either....

anyways...I will get off my soapbox pro-drug rally....
Dont hate me for being pro-drug...It is just my education on the subject matter that has allowed me to look past all the "nonsense"thats what i meant im on lots of vicadins lol ill shoot ya a pm with the results

[LITTLEMAGS]

thats what i meant im on lots of vicadins lol ill shoot ya a pm with the results
THANKS...and dont take it the wrong way either...I want to see and get as much information on the subject as possible. Either good or bad...It helps people make educated decisions and clears up biased on either sides.

[LITTLEMAGS]

^^ how old are BTW?

[orangejuiced86]

Me personally I dont care to lift big or be big. My main focus is to just get in shape and lose the fat I spent so much money aquiring(fast food). If I gain some size in the process then thats just an added plus. Ive never cared much for lifting huge either. My luck I would just hurt myself and be down for months anyways.

[LITTLEMAGS]

Me personally I dont care to lift big or be big. My main focus is to just get in shape and lose the fat I spent so much money aquiring(fast food). If I gain some size in the process then thats just an added plus. Ive never cared much for lifting huge either. My luck I would just hurt myself and be down for months anyways.
i used to be able liftin huge...BUT since left me HUGE ego at home while I train. I now lift for feel and have made HUGE gains. I went from an offseason weight of about 15% BF at 215 to about 217 at 10%!!!!

[orangejuiced86]

I guess im lying if I say I dont want to be big. Of course I do, or else I would just run and be skinny. I dont wan to be huge, just decent I guess. My initial goal was 2 years. IM 1 year down and 1 to go. I feel I have a pretty decent set-up so after this next year Ill decide where I want to go from there.

[Crazzy_Al]

Fuck it, I found a new motivation at the gym today. :D Diet gets changed tomorrow, routine was changed tonight, and expect a different guy roughly 10 weeks from now. End of October is where my new goal is set for. Today was a ruthless workout!!

[LITTLEMAGS]

Fuck it, I found a new motivation at the gym today. :D Diet gets changed tomorrow, routine was changed tonight, and expect a different guy roughly 10 weeks from now. End of October is where my new goal is set for. Today was a ruthless workout!!

your diet is on the way...

[Crazzy_Al]

your diet is on the way...
Thanks!



And I feel GREAT today! I am motivated again like when I first started training again 1.5 years ago. I am hoping for huge muscle gains and awesome fat loss over the next 10 or so weeks. I miss being questioned if I am using steroids. :lol: