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Granholm or DeVos - just curioius
Crazzy_Al
09-28-2006, 08:08 AM
It's hard to say at this point. I tend to lean more towards the democrats, but Jenny is a worthless **** who hasn't done shit for us in the time she has been in office. DeVos says he wants to create a bunch of new jobs in MI, but he has NO plan on how to do that. I still need to keep researching these candidates a bit more before I can make any decision.
I still need to keep researching these candidates a bit more before I can make any decision.
Same boat here. I've always thought a business minded person should have a shot at the role of Gov. so far I'm looking to Devos.
Boomer!
09-28-2006, 10:44 AM
Granholm must go PERIOD !!!!! I'd rather vote for Mickey Mouse than her .
lab1702
09-28-2006, 11:26 AM
Worst case scenario: Hillary wins in 08, and we still have our own mini-Hillary in office. :eek:
Xx96GTxX
09-28-2006, 12:07 PM
Devos, Granholm is a dumb bitch fuck her. bottom line.
357windsor
09-28-2006, 12:44 PM
Devos since Granholm hasn't done crap while in office.
BLWN327
09-28-2006, 02:05 PM
Devos(=right to work state)wants everybody to work for cheap and"if"he would somehow create jobs they would be of the very lowest of income.I'm union so definately Granholm
Crazzy_Al
09-28-2006, 02:27 PM
Devos(=right to work state)wants everybody to work for cheap and"if"he would somehow create jobs they would be of the very lowest of income.I'm union so definately Granholm
And what exactly has Granholm done for you, the union, or the automotive industry, that would keep you loyal to her?
Just curious.
BLWN327
09-28-2006, 02:56 PM
As far as me I'm grateful to still have a job and it's better to have a lil support for the union rather than none at all.Union built this country and set the majority of work standards and without it we will just be.....um china...Devos knows all about that.I don't want to get into a pissing match but that's just how I feel.
StangRacer
09-28-2006, 03:24 PM
We need that Canadien to go back to her country and screw up their economy like she has been doing ours.
Good....atleast we all feel the same politically :lol:
Ahh..yes, you still have a job today. Michigan is now tied with Mississippi for the worst unemployment rate in the nation. Maybe if Granholm is Gov another 4 years we can be the worst in the nation? Hopefully you still have a job then. :)
Boomer!
09-28-2006, 07:32 PM
Another 4 years and there won't be a big three in Michigan if she stays in office, the state will be nothing. We need change it can only be for the better, come on it can only get better.
Crazzy_Al
09-28-2006, 08:27 PM
This is America, folks. Let's not forget that we all have the right to express our opnion and vote for who we want.
One thing that I don't hear anyone discussing on TV (they did touch on it this morning on WRIF). The main reason job numbers are down in Michigan is the Auto Industry. Michigan has a ton of people who work for the big three or the suppliers.
Ahh..yes, you still have a job today. Michigan is now tied with Mississippi for the worst unemployment rate in the nation.
Atleast we have teeth
Atleast we have teeth
Lol!!! :lol:
nitrous_bob
09-29-2006, 07:38 PM
It's hard to say at this point. I tend to lean more towards the democrats,
that surprises me
i don't vote party lines, but the one issue thats gets my vote is the issue of gun control (AKA gun confiscation) jenny from the block has no agenda to let us excercise our rights....oh the contrare
i'm no supporter of amway or any other pyramiding scam, but 'ol dick has me locked up tighter than a drum on principles alone
nitrous_bob
09-29-2006, 07:41 PM
oh and sorry for the double post, i believe anyone w/ money NOT being an issue is a person who should be looked at.
yes, i voted for arnie when i lived in cali, and he did a great job, whether he pissed off a few liberals or not. at least the lights stayed on and the ac blew when it was hot out.
dmkx3
09-29-2006, 09:00 PM
anybody who spends 10 million just to be governor, has alternative plans[devos]. jenny didn't get anything done because of the republican's in lansing. i don't trust dick, now he say's that he will work for free and not live in the governor's mansion. right to work state, be afraid, be very afraid. you gotta look at the lesser of the 2 evils, that's all
lab1702
09-29-2006, 09:40 PM
anybody who spends 10 million just to be governor, has alternative plans[devos]. jenny didn't get anything done because of the republican's in lansing. i don't trust dick, now he say's that he will work for free and not live in the governor's mansion. right to work state, be afraid, be very afraid. you gotta look at the lesser of the 2 evils, that's all
I looked up right to work here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law, and if that's what Michigan would get, it doesn't seem like a bad idea..
I wouldn't want to be forced to join a union, and right to work doesn't seem to disallow them, so people who want them can still form one?
Of course, they might not get everyone as a member, if there are people who feel the company is treating them ok anyway, but shouldn't that be up to the individual to decide?
BigWheelinBubba
09-30-2006, 04:03 AM
I looked up right to work here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law, and if that's what Michigan would get, it doesn't seem like a bad idea..
I wouldn't want to be forced to join a union, and right to work doesn't seem to disallow them, so people who want them can still form one?
Of course, they might not get everyone as a member, if there are people who feel the company is treating them ok anyway, but shouldn't that be up to the individual to decide?agreed ;)
4 cam tbird
09-30-2006, 02:49 PM
When things are going shitty, you have to vote for change. A vote for the incumbant isn't going to turn things around. You want examples. Things were shitty under Bush, he got reelected, things are still shitty. And then of course you have Kwame. Things don't change unless you make them change and voting for who is in office isn't how you make them change
4 cam tbird
09-30-2006, 02:52 PM
Unions are the only ones that have anything to fear in a right to work situation. Look at it this way. I've worked in a plant. I've seen worthless as mother fuckers that don't do their jobs and don't come to work that the company couldn't fire because the union protected them. How is someone who works for a company and doesn't join the union become a freeloader? They slack off and don't follow the rules and they are fired because the Union isn't stopping the company from firing them. How is right to work bad? I don't see it.
silverknight
09-30-2006, 03:02 PM
i plan on voting devos. but i wanna move out of michigan either way :)
bigslim
09-30-2006, 06:54 PM
I am going ring in here. I know how a lot you guys (Brad) feel about the union. I think I will keep my views of the union to myself for now on.
BTW, I was the one that voted in the poll for Granholm. Do not believe that she the reason that jobs are leaving Michigan. Blame that on the people that run these sorry ass companies we work for. Think about this, Ford is shutting down 14 plants across the nation and investing 5 billions dollars in Mexico. I guess our governor had something to do with that.
Do some research and find out what DeVoes is about. Remember onething. The Republicans have had control of this country for the last eight years. Since then we have had a senseless war, record gas prices (which will probably go back up after the elections) and terrible support for the hurricane victims. When Bush was asked about the situations concerning the auto companies his answer was "The Auto Companies have to learn to compete". "We will not give them a handout". DeVoes is cut from this same mold.
Granholm is still caught in the rut that was left by that jackass Englar.
Anthony
09-30-2006, 08:05 PM
Devos(=right to work state)wants everybody to work for cheap and"if"he would somehow create jobs they would be of the very lowest of income.I'm union so definately Granholm
he has said "he has no plan to even try to make michigan a right to work state" way to much of a fight in a "union" state. per interview with DREW AND MIKE. hell he doesnt even want the pay for Gubner( not that he needs it but who else EVER has said no to money in politics? )
nitrous_bob
09-30-2006, 10:01 PM
Remember onething. The Republicans have had control of this country for the last eight years. Since then we have had a senseless war, record gas prices (which will probably go back up after the elections) and terrible support for the hurricane victims. ..
man i'm such a hybrid...aniti-gov and also pro-union at the same time....but....
i lean towards the gop for gun rights, but i agree w/ all of that said (and i'm an ex-jarhead) except the hurricane stuff, i actually see the government bending over backwards for the katrina victims.( 1 full year later even) no i don't live there, but if you choose to NOT have flood insurance when you live below sea level and below a river , i don't have much sympathy.
and why is "katrina" tied down to new orleans ? biloxi was hit equally hard ?
it seems like new orleans gets all the attention , and turns into bad press.
i don't even want to quote their mayor :eek:
and yeah..oil WILL ABSOLUTELY be back at $75+/barrel as soon as mid november , count on that
BLWN327
09-30-2006, 11:37 PM
Unions are the only ones that have anything to fear in a right to work situation. Look at it this way. I've worked in a plant. I've seen worthless as mother fuckers that don't do their jobs and don't come to work that the company couldn't fire because the union protected them. How is someone who works for a company and doesn't join the union become a freeloader? They slack off and don't follow the rules and they are fired because the Union isn't stopping the company from firing them. How is right to work bad? I don't see it.
Lol you don't see it cuz your not union,and probably don't make much money per hour.In a heartbeat you would be one of those"worthless as(ass)mother fuckers""oh no I don't want to work for a union and make 20-30 and hour and protect my job".I'm kinda hard to argue on this subject cuz I've labored scabbed,I've carpentered scabbed,I've union apprenticed/completed for jouneyman and lucked out skilled trade journeyman carpenter for chrysler and proud of my trade........It don't matter who wants to argue with me on this subject:D I will definately go down fightin for union and if it don't work,you or someone you know will probably hire me for work to be done:D
BLWN327
09-30-2006, 11:44 PM
actually I still have my job so the part"you or someone you know will probably hire me for work to be done"is kinda cocky,don't get me wrong I'm a good carpenter but my brother is an awesome carpenter so I'd rather give him the work.Let me know and I'll give you a number he is the partner in Barg constuction.
BigWheelinBubba
10-01-2006, 08:42 AM
DO NOT let this thread get out of hand. We're all adults here with different views. We can express them peacefully or the political threads will be locked.
Please respect each others individual opinions :)
not2slo
10-02-2006, 10:56 AM
im with bigslim on this one devos will do nothing for michigan but make it worse, republicans are all the same when it comes down to it make the rich richer the poor poorer. the reason the gas is getting cheaper is this alot of the republicans own the oil and it is election time they will make it cheaper so we think things are going good but soon as election is done BOOM the gas goes back up and everything is down hill for more years to come
Hottie
10-02-2006, 11:41 AM
i dont know who to vote for... ?????
I printed the DeVos plan today to review it. But we all know what they say they will don't isn't usually what happens LOL
Also, catch the first debate tonight at 8PM on FOX 2.
Boomer!
10-02-2006, 11:50 AM
I'll be watching for sure, I understand both sides of people getting upset I have union workers and non union in my family. Michigan needs to see change or none of us will have jobs.
Also, catch the first debate tonight at 8PM on FOX 2.
Oh wow, that's tonight already. Have to check it out. :cool:
2slow4u
10-02-2006, 06:40 PM
Devos(=right to work state)wants everybody to work for cheap and"if"he would somehow create jobs they would be of the very lowest of income.I'm union so definately Granholm
u must be a brainwashed union member
it wont becoem a right to work state, but your union rep will tell u that so u vote dem
bigslim
10-02-2006, 08:01 PM
Just watched the debate and DeVoes had nothing of substance to say. He dodged almost every question. He had a "Deer caught in headlights" look when Granholm asked if he had 12 million shares of one of his investments. This guy has the same look and dumb answers that Bush had when he was running and we all how that went. I already knew how I was voting. Tonight just reinsured what I already knew.
personally I hate poltics and everythign that deals with them.
I dont vote
4 cam tbird
10-02-2006, 09:10 PM
I hate the partisan part of politics. I wish political parties didn't exist. We vote for people to do what is best fo us and it never happens. They don't do what is best for us, the do what the political party wants them to do. The parties fight each other creating a situation where nothing gets done even when things badly need to be done. I will never place a vote based on what party someone is. I honestly don't think that should even be put on the ballots.
2slow4u
10-02-2006, 09:57 PM
granholm was rude during it, she interupted him on everything and he was polite with her, plus she cant drop the china thing that is not true
StangRacer
10-03-2006, 06:50 AM
Our ecomony is great when we have a Democrat President and a Republican Governor. I'll leave it at that.
I finally just saw the debate. Granholm was very interruptive. She also answered a lot of questions by blaming the prior govenor and everyone else but her, and also by saying what DeVos is/was doing. I don't want to hear our Gov of 4 years say "well, this person did this and this ones doing this". I want to hear what she has been doing and what she will do if she gets reelected.
I will definitely be voting for DeVos....and no, not because he's a Republican. Michigan needs a change and a business background also makes a better choice, etc, etc... IMO
DeVos needs to get rid of that goofy smile though. Yes, it worked for the president twice but get your own trademark! :lol:
1BAD89SC
10-03-2006, 07:53 PM
DEVOSS, i cant stand 4 more of granholm
Boomer!
10-03-2006, 10:14 PM
As was said previous Granholm is placing the blame elsewhere, I don't care how we get work but we've lost more companies here and it will take years to recover. By no means will the autoworkers lose jobs from Devos being here a stronger economy in mich will certainly help autosales and keep those that still have jobs working. Every tradesman I know works for a company that is suffering, honestly I'm glad I'm off with my back injury I would be collecting unemployment and be another statisic. I would never tell someone who to vote for but what has she(granholm) done for any of us ?
bigslim
10-04-2006, 06:42 PM
As was said previous Granholm is placing the blame elsewhere, I don't care how we get work but we've lost more companies here and it will take years to recover. By no means will the autoworkers lose jobs from Devos being here a stronger economy in mich will certainly help autosales and keep those that still have jobs working. Every tradesman I know works for a company that is suffering, honestly I'm glad I'm off with my back injury I would be collecting unemployment and be another statisic. I would never tell someone who to vote for but what has she(granholm) done for any of us ?
I'm a tradesman and I work for a suffering company (Ford) but I will still vote for Granholm. She had nothing to do with the bad decisions that Ford management did.
Boomer!
10-04-2006, 06:51 PM
Bigslim, I'M behind the union guys 110% and don't want anyone to misread into my opinion. Hopefully? regardless of who wins the election michgan's economy and autoworkers have a better life and future.
Bigslim, I'M behind the union guys 110% and don't want anyone to misread into my opinion. Hopefully? regardless of who wins the election michgan's economy and autoworkers have a better life and future.
What he said!
357windsor
10-04-2006, 07:14 PM
Bigslim, I'M behind the union guys 110% and don't want anyone to misread into my opinion. Hopefully? regardless of who wins the election michgan's economy and autoworkers have a better life and future.
Just hope this econonmy turns around asap!
StangRacer
10-05-2006, 05:31 AM
Just hope this econonmy turns around asap!
A democrat president will help that.
A democrat president will help that.
How do you think a democratic president will help the economy turn around?
Just wondering what your theory is.
EDIT-
Funny, other states are doing fine. I've had 6 friends move out of Michigan in the past 6 months...all to states that are doing great. My friend Marisa (who almost everyone here knows) just moved to Arizona because of the better economy there and there's jobs everywhere.
The big problem is here...as to why were tied for worse economic state.
StangRacer
10-05-2006, 03:50 PM
How do you think a democratic president will help the economy turn around?
Just wondering what your theory is.
If you look in the past when we had a republican governor and a democratic president Michigan's economy was doing great .
bigslim
10-05-2006, 07:28 PM
Bigslim, I'M behind the union guys 110% and don't want anyone to misread into my opinion. Hopefully? regardless of who wins the election michgan's economy and autoworkers have a better life and future.
If you are behind the union vote Democratic. The Republicans are known for union busting.
bigslim
10-05-2006, 07:30 PM
EDIT-
Funny, other states are doing fine. I've had 6 friends move out of Michigan in the past 6 months...all to states that are doing great. My friend Marisa (who almost everyone here knows) just moved to Arizona because of the better economy there and there's jobs everywhere.
The big problem is here...as to why were tied for worse economic state.
Other states don't rely on the auto industry like Michigan does. Remember, the auto companies upper management drove the jobs out of Michigan, Granholm didn't. Also, Granholm was handed a mess form Englar, a Republican.
BLWN327
10-06-2006, 06:42 PM
Other states don't rely on the auto industry like Michigan does. Remember, the auto companies upper management drove the jobs out of Michigan, Granholm didn't. Also, Granholm was handed a mess form Englar, a Republican.
Yep true that is a big thing with MI.we have been manufacturing(=factories that make products)so of course with management and owners going overseas for cheap labor are hurting.But manufacturing in general leaving the U.S. is killing us cuz if were not making it then ppl don't have jobs buying it.If everything is made overseas and shipped in than transport and retail is the only thing making money.
dmkx3
10-07-2006, 02:51 PM
Unions are the only ones that have anything to fear in a right to work situation. Look at it this way. I've worked in a plant. I've seen worthless as mother fuckers that don't do their jobs and don't come to work that the company couldn't fire because the union protected them. How is someone who works for a company and doesn't join the union become a freeloader? They slack off and don't follow the rules and they are fired because the Union isn't stopping the company from firing them. How is right to work bad? I don't see it. it's not the union, it's management, to be fair all that you have to do is create a paper trail, not even the union can fight that.
bigslim
10-07-2006, 07:51 PM
it's not the union, it's management, to be fair all that you have to do is create a paper trail, not even the union can fight that.
It's easy for people to point fingers at the union. People have been jealous and have been trying to bring us down for years. I remember some years ago when Bill Bonds was still the anchorman at WXYZ he said that auto workers were overpaid. This was from a man that was always off because he had a drinking problem while drawing a million dollar salary, the highest in the country for a local newscaster.
4 cam tbird
10-07-2006, 10:55 PM
I don't blame the union alone. I don't blame the mangement alone. I blame both together. But part of it was impossible to for see. In good times the contracts to the union got a lot of things put into them that are now hurting the companies position now that the competition is tougher. You can't see that far into the future to know that the competition is going to come in and take your market share causing the costs you created during the good times to cripple your ability to be competitive in the market. How does a company supporting loyal employees that became retirees compete with a company that isn't old enough to have long terms workers that retried. I've seen good workers in a plant that had been working for the company longer than some of the import manufacturers have been in business.